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[Mirth]

Post about your interesting experiences pugging with the new LFG system.

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R and I went to AN on Mirth and Rothana. Group seemed fine, the tank was a little...eager, but that happens often enough. He pulled quickly, and tanked well enough that no one died. But when we got to the last boss, (Anub) one of the DPS was lagging, and we waited for him. Well the dumb ass tank pulled the boss before we got on the other side of the wall that comes up. So there was death. He called us some names, we lobbed a few back, but we all ran back to kill the boss (Wanted our frost badges you know) But upon starting the boss event, he refused to tank. He just tagged him, then stopped. Of course one of the DPS got aggro and died. He was trying his best to kill R, as in his opinion it was her fault for not getting on the right side of the shield the first time. We had a cat druid, so I yelled for him to go bear, figuring we could heal through it, but no, it didn't work and we all died. Couldn't kick him out fast enough. 



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Another group, R tanking, Me dpsing. AN again! (Bad luck with this place). Pally healer was the problem this time. (Pally again..hmm) Anyway, we get to the second boss area and R was waiting for everyone to be ready for the pull. The pally healer decides we aren't going fast enough, and pulls with a judgement... R grabs it fast and keeps it off of the healer. R then tells him to please let the tank...you know, tank? He comes back with "oh don't be THAT kind of tank" Whatever that was meant to mean.  And then he pulled again. This time, I didn't realize it was him that pulled however, and I started attacking, like I would do if the tank pulled. Well, R didn't have enough time to get the add off of me and I died. I think I countered with "And that's why we let the tank...you know, Tank. Otherwise there is death, and that makes the instance take longer...."  He was good after that.



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[arras]

there's so many

a couple highlights from Famea's adventures in getting a perky pug (and learning to heal) - Famea's my ele/resto shammie, btw

Nexus - Random group where I first tried out healing, I was fortunate enough to be in a very forgiving group.  The other 4 were in the same guild and they (at least the 4 of them) seemed very similar to DoZ and Travelers.  At that time, I was geared just well enough for the place and the other 4 were totally overgeared, so I didn't really need to do a lot of healing.  Along the way, the dpser gave me a ton of tips on which spells to use, which totems and things like that.  I had most of the basics down, just forgot some little things - like earth shield or earthgiving weapon.  Very successful run

UP - Healing again, gear was mostly improved 2 T9 resto pieces and some other decent enough pieces.  Pally tanking, 2xDK dps and I think a druid.  Pally hardly says a word and proceeds to pull the first 4 groups...after I said 'one sec to switch specs and mana'.  We barely survive the pull and I said, protip: healers need mana.  Tank says something along the lines of 'with that GS, it's a wonder you even got in here failtard casual [censored]'  Next pulls, a DK dies and we're far enough into it that I stop to rez, heal him up and get some mana.  Tank continues.  By the time I catch up, the tank has pulled the entire room and is at about 30% health.  I manage to get him to 50% for about 3 seconds before everyone gets chain knockbacks and we all die.  Tank again says something like 'no wonder we wiped [censored] healer has (green shield)' I counter with something like...yeah and 'tard tank pulls with half health and the healer out of range.  Brilliant move, bub. 
Again, with hardly a word, the tank pulls the rest of the room, including the skippable mobs...pulls them all on top of me and bubbles.  I die a very fast death and so do the rest of the dps.  I say very, very unkind things that probably would get me suspended and possibly arrested and leave the group, secure knowing that it will be a good 10-15 minute wait for them to find another healer.

FoS - Healing once again, but I'm the best geared person there.  DK tank has something like 26k health, the dps are in a mishmash of greens and blues.  We squeak our way to the first boss and manage to kill him...somehow.  It wasn't pretty.  At this point, one of the dpsers...a rogue, I think, suddenly decides we're not pulling fast enough and gets the next group for us and the group that was standing right next to that group.  We of course die very painfully (but rather heroic deaths as we try to recover as best we can).  Group decides that after kicking the rogue, it's best to part company.

Nexus - Pew-pewing.  Tank and other dps are overgeared out the nose for the place, the healer is...well, he was a hard one to pin down.  The first several trash pulls, he was in cat form, dpsing even though his spec and gear was Tree.  I know, Nexus trash is srs bidness.  Tank yells at him not to dps and heal (probably because the tank almost died to a trash pull and I had to throw out heals to save him).  We get to the first boss and our "healer" moonfires the boss (with 2 pulls before the boss, mind you) and shadowmelds.  Again, I throw out heals to help and the dps attempts to save the day and even our healer shifts into tree form and...melees the boss. While he's whirlwinding.  Chop chop goes the tree.  We wipe and the tank explodes on the healer who takes a good 10 minutes to find his way back to us - only thing he says was that it was his first time in there and he got lost (I think he made a wrong turn, died and had to come back).  I say in /s that I can switch to heals if they want to let him dps or just kick him.
We vote kick the healer, I switch to heals and we get...a boomkin (I had to chuckle at that).  We finish the instance about 15 minutes later, only other blemish on the run was the warlock who had no idea that you had to move to get rid of the debuff.  Little stinker had 9 stacks before we all yelled him to move his butt.

There are more, but those were the highlights

[Zedicus]

Man I've been really lucky.  I can only think of one Fail PUG and that was more just general idiocy than and anyone specific.  I have run into the God geared that pull the entire instance and survive (like AK in 13 mins end to end).

The only really obnoxious one I had was in Gundrak with a tank that was just there for the Frost badges and refused to hit up Eck.  Since he was the tank he just said... well I'm not going down there tryign to force the groupt o skip him.  I just flipped spec and gear and away we went... He said a few nasty things but eventually came down and helped.  What was he goinna do drop and run an entire other instance just to prove the point?

The other one that was interesting was a 3 guildie group Pallie tank Priest and Lock where I was a 4th in DK DPS.  They were all ridiculously overgeared (lowest GS was 5200 for the 3 of them) and rolling instances like mad.  What was odd was that the best geared was teh lock in full Frost badge gear head to toe who was rocking ou the mighty 1200 dps.  Didn't say anything because it was insta queue and 15 min runs but really wondered how he got the gear given his play style and skill.

[Rothana]

Other than what M posted above, I only have one other bad experience in a pug.  I was DPS DK.  I am regularly amazed with the audacity of some players.

UK: warrior tank who announces at the door that the hunter in the group is also him and 'not to worry about whatever he does.'  The shammy healer has just switched specs (based on the fact that he had 0 mana and was sitting) and the warrior runs off without a word to pull the entire first hallway and the first trio in the next room on one pull.  He and his dual boxed hunter die while we all watch in fascination at the door.  He comes back cursing the healer. I remind him that he shouldn't 1) expect to do that kind of pulling with a group of people he doesn't know and 2) expect the healer to read his mind and keep up with no mana.  He acquiesces.  

He pulls somewhat normally until the first boss.  His dual boxed hunter who is pretty much only attacking with auto shot is doing 496 dps.  He can't stand the pace any longer, and pulls all 4 preceding mobs with the first boss.  Mage dps dies. Shaman dies, resurrects, dies again, we wipe.  Now he's bitching about the lack of DPS and Healing in this group (the mage and I are doing more than 3k dps each, the deadbeat hunter has climbed to a fabulous 600 dps).  I remind him of our earlier discussion about expectations, particularly in light of his worthless hunter that the rest of us were carrying.  He typed something that couldn't be construed as English in any way, but behaved for the most part for the rest of the instance.  The hunter's dps went down below 200 by the end of the instance.

So, if someone admits in the beginning that they're dual boxing...consider bailing, 15 minute debuff timer be damned.

[Guntur]

I am Shammy healing. My gear is Meh. The group is geared in crafted gear, quest blues and a couple greens. The instance is Violet Hold.

The warrior tanks begins the fun by making fun of the mage's gearscore and dps. I notice he has 28k health after well fed and drum buffed.

1st Boss is the Void Walker. The tank gets the idea "Let's get the achievment!" I say "Noooooo!" No one listens and we die. Go back restart and kill first boss (without the achievment).

2nd Boss if the puppy. Killed him with out much trouble. After the boss we get the crappy portal with the 4 pack on the top left. Tank picks up two and two make it down to start working on the gate.  Half the dps go after them the tank and the mage stay on two so I bounce back and forth healing. By the time the tank gets the two he is on down another portal opens and another 4paks comes through. Tank charges the two from the first gate and the other four go for the tasty Shammy Healer. We die.

The tank starts yelling about not enough DPS and my ugly self came out. I explained he should not worry about achievments in a PuG and should not be judging others gear when he is in craptastic gear himself. I used some profanity. I mentioned his mother may have had relations with various animals of lower intelligence. I explained my tanks DPS gear had more health than he did. I initiated to kick him and the group disbanded.


I waited 15 min then got in a Nexus group with a rogue who needed everything and was pumping a whopping 600 dps. We basically 4manned it. None of us really cared about the loot, but it was still annoying. I asked the rogue if he was afk, he said no.  I said hit something. he said he was.  I said "Hit it harder!".

That is the worst day I ahd PuGgin. I've since had Great groups and Phail groups. It always seems a good tank or a good healer really make the group.

[Marcus]

first of all, Most of my Random experiences have been pretty good so far.  A this is coming from a person that was a PUG-A-Phobe.  I also admit that I have NO experience tanking or healing, so I feel that I'm the last person to criticize.  That said, here is my story...

Halls of Reflection.  I come in in the middle durring the fight around Frostmourn.  I'm not sure why the tank was doing this, but he would pull the and then run around the damn room.  This made it hard for me, as a DK, putting down a Death and Decay.  As soon as I put one down, the tank would pull all the mobs off my pool of AoE goodness.  After the forth wipe (Yes, I stayed that long  ) the tank complained about the DPS being "unfocused" and PIcking thier own targets.  Then I pulled out my assist macro and targeted anything the tank targeted.  We finally got through that fight.

Next was the the run from the Lich King.  again, the tank kept pulling all the mobs all over the place again.  I was still unable to place a DnD down effectively, again.  we wiped many more times (lost count).  We all finally gave up.  All I had to show for it was a 60 gold repair bill. 

Looking back...  I should of bailed out a lot sooner.  

[Rothana]

I can't say I would ever willingly pug HoR

[O-W]

I lucked out the other day in HoR.  We had a DK tank with 52K buffed HP, all 3 dps were pulling over 4K.  Good times

[Bink]

Forge of souls, NON herioc.  Druid tank with 23k hp.  Healer not spec'd for healing.  At least 5 wipes not on bosses.  Three times a dps abandoned and we picked up another.  We did not finish.

Halls of Lightning, Heroic.  Warrior tank attempting to chain pull while leaving dps to finish off preceding pulls.  Threat ego much larger than actual threat meters.  DPS and healers end up tanking most of the mobs left behind while tank rushes on.  We wipe 3x before 2nd boss.  On 3rd wipe, healer and 2dps drop without a word.  I did not stay.

Nexus, heroic.  I'm on my rogue, and I ended up last on dps.  Even behind the healer and tank.  Upon entering the dungeon, I notice that I am the only true pugger in this group.  Tank 47k hp unbuffed (DK), healer with over 30kmana (shaman), mage with lowest ilevel piece at 245, and hunter whom I didn't get time to inspect because the DK had already taken off down the hall and around the corner, dragging everything with him.   The DK was blood spec and as hard as he was hitting, needed only the rare heals from earth shield the shaman was providing.  The shaman proceeded to dps and only healed when one of us "others" took damage.  I couldn't even stealth to a mob because if I took the time to stealth, it was dead before I got there.  I felt like I didn't even belong, but it was nice to cruise through that place so quickly.

Old Kingdom, heroic.  Huntard in greens and blues wanting every achievement possible, therefore taking pulls unto his own.  MD to tank whenever huntard felt like it.  Eventually got mad and MD to healer.   ...   had he not left just after, I would have returned the favor as I was on my rogue.

Halls of Reflection. Goofy ass DK in group kickin' ass and then decides to jump off cliff and enjoy a scenic view of the landscape while the rest of us are running from the Lich King.  Lich King kicks our ass... we wipe.  I report Raya for griefing.

[Rothana]

Halls of Reflection. Goofy ass DK in group kickin' ass and then decides to jump off cliff and enjoy a scenic view of the landscape while the rest of us are running from the Lich King.  Lich King kicks our ass... we wipe.  I report Raya for griefing.

Hey!  That wasn't a PuG!  And we didn't wipe, you lived.

[arras]

this didn't happen to me, I just picked up what was happening from guild chat

I wanna say Sythys' shaman was in a pug and there was an elemental shaman in the group that either had or rolled need on Lucky Old Sun.  This shaman wunderkind also had an equally impressive (but wholly inappropriate) tanking shield of about the same level with a +int enchant on it

[Mo]

this didn't happen to me, I just picked up what was happening from guild chat

I wanna say Sythys' shaman was in a pug and there was an elemental shaman in the group that either had or rolled need on Lucky Old Sun.  This shaman wunderkind also had an equally impressive (but wholly inappropriate) tanking shield of about the same level with a +int enchant on it

Oh my!   

[Zedicus]

Let see last night UK. Top DPS is about 3k I end up in second 2.4k as tank.  That isn't the stupid part... The stupid part is me being iceblocked and left for the entire 1st boss while the two tank DPS decide to just pull him away and run him down.  Luckily UK being what it is they got him down thanks to a truly heroic effort by the healer (who was also covered in the adds for most of the fight).  I am still not sure how we made it through with out some other significant blow up again all I can think is the basic cakiness of UK means even idiots can finish it.

[Rothana]

this didn't happen to me, I just picked up what was happening from guild chat

I wanna say Sythys' shaman was in a pug and there was an elemental shaman in the group that either had or rolled need on Lucky Old Sun.  This shaman wunderkind also had an equally impressive (but wholly inappropriate) tanking shield of about the same level with a +int enchant on it

In BC, I was leveling a shaman to tank Kara.  But then they gave me a DK and took away some of the tanking talents in the enhancement tree.   The fact that this guy was an elemental shaman is quite amusing, however.

[Zenthalas]

I've had fairly good experiences with the few PUGs I've done.  A couple stick out, though.


FoS -  Healing on Garam. Druid tank has a good bit of health, but he has a horrible time earning aggro.  He also stands still while mobs run around.  I'm amazed we only wipe once in this dungeon.  The highest DPS was a hunter, who wanted to move straight into PoS after.  So, we go to PoS...

PoS: FoS II - We find out that the hunter had actually killed the first boss in PoS already that day.  We try to push on to the second boss... and that boss was dead too.  So we go after the third boss.  Well, this is when Craptain Noaggro can't keep the 5-man pulls on the slope together.  We wipe, and the hunter leaves.  And then an elemental shaman joins.  We try again, and wipe again.  On the next attempt, every DPS gets aggro from something on the pull, and I have to deal with 4 health bars dropping.  I picked the wrong person to heal, and the shaman dies without ever getting a heal.  He proceeds to blame me for the wipe.  My response, "If DPS dies within the first 10 seconds of a fight, it's not the healer's fault".  Because either DPS opened up too early, or the tank sucks.  The shaman tries to insult me some more, I give him a, "good luck with that," and drop.


Nexus:  I'm on Zen.  Tank pulls 3 groups at a time, where all of the DPS just AOEs packs down.  Group DPS exceeds 20k per pull.  We are fighting the last boss when the 15 min LFD debuff wears off.  16 minute Nexus rocks!

[Mirth]

Craptain Noaggro 

I love those sub 20 min runs. We had a 14 min Drak'theron the other say with similar pulls. I was healing and the tank never waited for the dps to kill the last mob. He would just take off for the next pull. I know when I'm melee dps that's kind of annoying, but I can't complain about the result


Last night I was healing nexus. The pally tank only seems to talk in white chat for some reason. First words out of his mouth were "I hate" I respond in party chat with, "hey, at least it isn't occulus " He keeps typing "I hate" in white chat...Whatever. He seems to be an ok tank. During one pull he says "Protip: stop dps'ing at 110%" I didn't think anyone pulled aggro, R was on her DK, she didn't pull aggro, no one seemed to take damage. Huh. On we go, and he keeps making annoying comments like "I wish my dps meter was working.  I'm REALLY curious. I am" All of this in white chat. so I say in party chat "You know, not everyone can hear you unless you talk in party chat" his response? "non fail can hear me"    ....     ooookaay. In the end it turned out fine, after we killed the last boss he just ended it with a "Peace"      "out"

[Marcus]

I was on one of the most frustrating PUG ever!

It was in Drak'Tharon Keep in a random.  After the second group of trash, someone asked me a courious question...  "How Much did I pay for this toon?"  From that moment til the end of the instance everyone belittled me about everything.  My Gear, my DPS, the fact that I don't know how to play my class.

I thought about leaving, but decided to tough it out.  I need the Frosties more than another 15 minute wait.  so, I basically ignored the chat window and did my job and gave them no excuse to kick me.

a couple a things I did notice,  Their gear scores were not much better than mine.  I'm at 4652, and I'm pretty satisfied with that score considering my resource level.  There was one guy above (4800ish) me and one below (4k ish).  I could of pointed that out, among other things, but my goal was to play a game.  not trade insults with a bunch of a-holes.


Footnote:  I hate to admit this, but this little encounter has made me a bit reluctant to hit that random button again

[Guntur]

Footnote:  I hate to admit this, but this little encounter has made me a bit reluctant to hit that random button again

I had a PuG the other day which was very similiar. One guy was a complete jerk and the others starting joining in. It was VH and it had already started. I made my apologies to the one person who wasn't being a jerk and I left. I am not going to feel uncomfortable, frustrated, and so mad I want to hit something for 20 minutes.

This is the exception, not the rule. Out of 100 PuGs maybe only 3 or 4 were frustrating or had jerks in them. Don't let them get to you brother.

[Mo]

I was watching C the other day in a pug.  He was ragging on everyone in the group besides C, who wasn't putting out much DPS.  He said if they didn't get the DPS up to where he would like it, he was going to drop group.  I thought that was kind of shitty IMO.   

[Warring]

HoR complete pug last night.  I was on my pally, highest GS 4600. . . Easiest run I've done.  Very surprising.

[O-W]

That sucks Marcus.  Its too bad some bad apples feel the need crap on others 

I've been having pretty good luck in 5 mans lately.  My new policy on tanking is tell the dps that I'm not the best tank and that if they pull it, they kill it, which has worked out pretty solidly.  Most stuff that gets away from me is dead by the time I go to get a taunt on it.  The overgeared dps that pulls aggro tends to be ok with it as they get to pew pew harder.

[Bink]

Actually got selected to heal instead of tank, yesterday... random CoS.  When I entered, I was still in tank gear, and the warrior tank felt the immediate need to let me know that HE was the tank and he refused to go into the instance any further until I switched specs... and fast.  The way he said it was almost like he felt threatened by me being in tank spec... like it was a competition of penises.   The tank had 39k hp, but couldn't hold aggro.  I was dps'g as healer (without righteous fury) and was threatening to pull aggro on some of the mobs.

On one of the first phase spawns, DBM neglected to notify us of a new spawn.  Even the internal WoW counter didn't indicate a new spawn, but the tank and one of the dps were out roaming around killing the little skellies when the new spawn "spawned" right on top of them.  By the time I got to them, the tank had died.   For 39k hp, the guy tanked like he had paper for armor. 

We managed to make it to the Arthas is a dumbass guantlet, and no one talked to Arthas.  We recognized it early, but before we could all make it back to the beginning, someone talked to Arthas  and all those elites that were once dead instantly came back to life.  The tank couldn't catch all aggro at once and I ended up dying from heal aggro.  I was already frustrated myself anyway.  Immediately upon my death, the tank left group and ported out.   I followed swiftly.

[Lyssandra]

I was in HOS the other day and one of the dps kept opening up faster then the tank could pick up during the event that is all adds running at you.  He then proceeded to say profanities about how the tank sucked.  I had just done 2 randoms with the tank and the rest of the group (minus the one complaining dps) and knew the tank was good.  I got so sick of the complaining I told him if he continued to be rude I would drop group.  He dropped instead and we 4 manned it with out any problems.

I do seem to have recurring problems with POS.  I have only made it through there once with out a wipe and the last 5 times I was not able to complete it for multiple reasons.  The last time the tank decided that he was in a hurry so immediately after killing Ick and Krick he ran over and  he pulled all the mobs at once leading up to the cave.  He wiped the party and that was the 4th wipe, everyone ended up dropping group.

[Bink]

I get in on a 4man premade pug from Alleria, and I'm on my lock.  Old Kingdom.

These guys are killing so fast, I'm sort of useless... but enjoying the ride.

We get to the steps way down at the bottom where all the elementals roam back and forth, and the tank jumps down and starts killing.

As he is fighting the caster group, one of the ele groups roams in.   So he back up, and catches the other ele group.  He repositions again, and someone catches the other pack of casters off on the corner.   He's got 4packs of mobs on him and we survived.   

Immediately I get called a smurf™tard among numerous other childish names by all the others and told that I need to learn how to keep my smurf™ing pet off of aggressive.  ....  ...  I calmly reply that it was not on aggressive, and the tank replies back with some more lovely smurf™ language about how he knew it was on aggressive and I was a dumbshit.   

I expected to be kicked by vote, but they let me stay.  I kept my mouth shut not wanting to get voted out before I got my badges, and then I politely told them they could kiss my ass after the boss died and I had received my badges.  They all LOL'd in their own way and proceeded to make fun of my proposed idiocy again.

I know it wasn't my pet, but I felt that little urge of anger just enough to make me wish I could stick this nice nasty old steel grill brush over here through the monitor and ram it up their asses with a nice little twist while I stared into their little ego shit faces

In the end... I got my badges  *shrug*

[Mirth]

Sure it wasn't your pet? Remember R was having pet problems the other day too?


So last night R and I get into a HoR random. Ugh. The pally tank had the lowest gearscore of the bunch at 4500. How it let him in I don't know. He wasn't a horrible tank though. Kept aggro pretty well and all, but his mitigation had something to be desired. R had trouble keeping him above 50% health he took so much damage. During the first boss, a jerk spoke up "Heal the tank more please" So I responded with "Tell the tank to take less damage" intending to be ironic, since duh, the healer would keep the tank at full if possible. I later realized that guy who spoke up must've been 15 or so, because he just had to share with us how high he was. They were also talking about "Following" how it worked out better for them as a strat for the lich king event. R and I didn't know what they intended, so we just followed them. Turned out they wanted to stay behind the LK as he chased Jaina. We didn't catch on fast enough so we died. More choice words from the jerk rogue. They explained, and we ran back. Just as we started the event, the jerk rogue leaves. We figure we are boned, as 4 manning that event might be too hard, but we were able to get another dps before we were halfway down the path. We won, no frost badges for the jerk rogue.